From rhornsby at ktzr.net  Thu Apr 11 19:06:00 2019
From: rhornsby at ktzr.net (Rick Hornsby)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 18:06:00 -0500
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
Message-ID: <etPan.5cafc858.7dd0ae60.100e3@ktzr.net>

TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.

--

For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.

I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable
?filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)

I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.

Thoughts or suggestions?

thanks!
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From skippy at skippy.net  Thu Apr 11 19:16:42 2019
From: skippy at skippy.net (Scott Merrill)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:16:42 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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You could try a ChromeBox, and flash it with a custom boot loader to let it run a full Linux distro. 

https://mrchromebox.tech/ has good info, and the necessary boot loaders. 


> On Apr 11, 2019, at 19:06, Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> wrote:
> 
> TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
> 
> --
> 
> For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
> 
> I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable
>  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)
> 
> I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
> 
> Thoughts or suggestions?
> 
> thanks!
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> colug-432 at colug.net
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From spp at unixsa.net  Thu Apr 11 19:24:25 2019
From: spp at unixsa.net (spp)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:24:25 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
In-Reply-To: <etPan.5cafc858.7dd0ae60.100e3@ktzr.net>
Message-ID: <5cafccab.1c69fb81.80be2.9761@mx.google.com>

Maybe a NUC or a Brix?-sppSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
-------- Original message --------From: Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> Date: 4/11/19  7:06 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: Central OH Linux User Group - 432xx <colug-432 at colug.net> Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.--For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable?filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.Thoughts or suggestions?thanks!
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From damiencalloway at fastmail.com  Thu Apr 11 19:56:56 2019
From: damiencalloway at fastmail.com (Damien Calloway)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 19:56:56 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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The Steam Link device has been rooted, and could also work if you have one lying around or can find one cheap.

Damien

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019, at 7:26 PM, spp wrote:
> Maybe a NUC or a Brix?
> 
> -spp
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net>
> Date: 4/11/19 7:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: Central OH Linux User Group - 432xx <colug-432 at colug.net>
> Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
> 
> TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
> 
> --
> 
> For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
> 
> I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable
>  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)
> 
> I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
> 
> Thoughts or suggestions?
> 
> thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> colug-432 mailing list
> colug-432 at colug.net
> http://lists.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug-432
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From joskra42.list at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 20:08:27 2019
From: joskra42.list at gmail.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:08:27 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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If you search on Amazon for "fanless industrial PC" you'll find TONS
of little systems you could use for that.  A unit with quad core AMD,
2G RAM, and 32G SSD runs about $150.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_mtf_aps_sr_pg1_2?ie=UTF8&adId=A051461335BBCWLEXPDFW&url=%2FIndustrial-Personal-Computer-Aluminum-1000Mbps%2Fdp%2FB07D14Z7GT%2Fref%3Dsr_1_28_sspa%3Fcrid%3D34YH7YU7U2HLH%26keywords%3Dfanless%2Bindustrial%2Bpc%26qid%3D1555026934%26s%3Dgateway%26sprefix%3Dfanless%2Bin%252Caps%252C178%26sr%3D8-28-spons%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1555026934&id=6233116189927769&widgetName=sp_mtf

Here is something else to consider.  (Note that if you're not
comfortable doing basic wiring, you should get the version with the
breakout board.  Having said that, it is a somewhat frequent
occurrence to see the version without the breakout board in the
MicroCenter "Open Box" bin at $32.  The wiring really is not that
difficult.)
https://www.microcenter.com/product/603770/atomic-pi

Having said that... there are ways around the "RasPi kills SD cards"
issue.  Essentially, you just put /var and /tmp in a RAM disk, and set
the root filesystem to remove the journal.  I have details in a blog
post here:
https://www.joshuapk.net/2019/02/18/how-stop-killing-sd-cards-raspi/

I've been running HomeAssistant under CentOS 7 on a RasPi 3B+ for a
while.  Average SD card life was about 2 months, but after I did the
tricks noted above things seem to have been much better- that was 6
months ago.

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:09 PM Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> wrote:
>
> TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
>
> --
>
> For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
>
> I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable
>  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)
>
> I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
>
> Thoughts or suggestions?
>
> thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> colug-432 mailing list
> colug-432 at colug.net
> http://lists.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug-432


From jricica2 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 20:59:03 2019
From: jricica2 at gmail.com (Jeff Ricica)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 20:59:03 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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I have a Khadas Vim 2 <https://www.khadas.com/vim> that's a similar form
factor to the Pi but has more RAM and the ethernet bus doesn't share its IO
with the USB bus so performance would likely be better. I'll have to find
it but I'd probably be willing to part ways with it if you're interested.
It runs several different distros of Linux as well as Android TV or Android
OS and LibreELEC and can even be triple booted.

Outside of that, a very popular option would have to be the Odroid HC2
<https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-hc2-home-cloud-two/> which sounds
like exactly what you're looking for in one package. If you wanted more
than 1 data drive, the Helios 4 <https://kobol.io/helios4/> is a great
option that will support up to 4 drives but looks like there's a wait list
at the moment as they only manufacture once they have a certain number of
guaranteed orders.

-Jeff

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:10 PM Joshua Kramer <joskra42.list at gmail.com>
wrote:

> If you search on Amazon for "fanless industrial PC" you'll find TONS
> of little systems you could use for that.  A unit with quad core AMD,
> 2G RAM, and 32G SSD runs about $150.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_mtf_aps_sr_pg1_2?ie=UTF8&adId=A051461335BBCWLEXPDFW&url=%2FIndustrial-Personal-Computer-Aluminum-1000Mbps%2Fdp%2FB07D14Z7GT%2Fref%3Dsr_1_28_sspa%3Fcrid%3D34YH7YU7U2HLH%26keywords%3Dfanless%2Bindustrial%2Bpc%26qid%3D1555026934%26s%3Dgateway%26sprefix%3Dfanless%2Bin%252Caps%252C178%26sr%3D8-28-spons%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1555026934&id=6233116189927769&widgetName=sp_mtf
>
> Here is something else to consider.  (Note that if you're not
> comfortable doing basic wiring, you should get the version with the
> breakout board.  Having said that, it is a somewhat frequent
> occurrence to see the version without the breakout board in the
> MicroCenter "Open Box" bin at $32.  The wiring really is not that
> difficult.)
> https://www.microcenter.com/product/603770/atomic-pi
>
> Having said that... there are ways around the "RasPi kills SD cards"
> issue.  Essentially, you just put /var and /tmp in a RAM disk, and set
> the root filesystem to remove the journal.  I have details in a blog
> post here:
> https://www.joshuapk.net/2019/02/18/how-stop-killing-sd-cards-raspi/
>
> I've been running HomeAssistant under CentOS 7 on a RasPi 3B+ for a
> while.  Average SD card life was about 2 months, but after I did the
> tricks noted above things seem to have been much better- that was 6
> months ago.
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:09 PM Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> wrote:
> >
> > TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low
> heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to
> run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is
> acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like
> to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
> >
> > --
> >
> > For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been
> great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc),
> doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data.
> There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server
> maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair
> trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my
> laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
> >
> > I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update
> a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a
> Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform,
> but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card
> as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first
> two died because of irreparable
> >  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that,
> but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a
> separate disk, not on the SD card.)
> >
> > I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run
> around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a
> business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower
> setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me.
> Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of
> external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
> >
> > Thoughts or suggestions?
> >
> > thanks!
> > _______________________________________________
> > colug-432 mailing list
> > colug-432 at colug.net
> > http://lists.colug.net/mailman/listinfo/colug-432
>
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> colug-432 at colug.net
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From joskra42.list at gmail.com  Thu Apr 11 22:18:23 2019
From: joskra42.list at gmail.com (Joshua Kramer)
Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 22:18:23 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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Jeff- that Khadas Vim has some really impressive specs!  If I had
extra cash that would be on my "buy it now" list for sure.  The Atomic
Pi that I linked to has somewhat the same specs as the Basic model
Vim, but it's x86-64, and it's a little bigger.  (The Atomic Pi has a
4 core 1.2GHz Atom, 16GB emmc, and 2GB RAM, plus the gigabit Ethernet,
WiFi and Bluetooth with external antenna connectors.  Its price is
$39, or $59 when purchased with the handy breakout board.)

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:02 PM Jeff Ricica <jricica2 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a Khadas Vim 2 that's a similar form factor to the Pi but has more RAM and the ethernet bus doesn't share its IO with the USB bus so performance would likely be better. I'll have to find it but I'd probably be willing to part ways with it if you're interested. It runs several different distros of Linux as well as Android TV or Android OS and LibreELEC and can even be triple booted.
>
> Outside of that, a very popular option would have to be the Odroid HC2 which sounds like exactly what you're looking for in one package. If you wanted more than 1 data drive, the Helios 4 is a great option that will support up to 4 drives but looks like there's a wait list at the moment as they only manufacture once they have a certain number of guaranteed orders.
>
> -Jeff
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:10 PM Joshua Kramer <joskra42.list at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> If you search on Amazon for "fanless industrial PC" you'll find TONS
>> of little systems you could use for that.  A unit with quad core AMD,
>> 2G RAM, and 32G SSD runs about $150.
>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_mtf_aps_sr_pg1_2?ie=UTF8&adId=A051461335BBCWLEXPDFW&url=%2FIndustrial-Personal-Computer-Aluminum-1000Mbps%2Fdp%2FB07D14Z7GT%2Fref%3Dsr_1_28_sspa%3Fcrid%3D34YH7YU7U2HLH%26keywords%3Dfanless%2Bindustrial%2Bpc%26qid%3D1555026934%26s%3Dgateway%26sprefix%3Dfanless%2Bin%252Caps%252C178%26sr%3D8-28-spons%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1555026934&id=6233116189927769&widgetName=sp_mtf
>>
>> Here is something else to consider.  (Note that if you're not
>> comfortable doing basic wiring, you should get the version with the
>> breakout board.  Having said that, it is a somewhat frequent
>> occurrence to see the version without the breakout board in the
>> MicroCenter "Open Box" bin at $32.  The wiring really is not that
>> difficult.)
>> https://www.microcenter.com/product/603770/atomic-pi
>>
>> Having said that... there are ways around the "RasPi kills SD cards"
>> issue.  Essentially, you just put /var and /tmp in a RAM disk, and set
>> the root filesystem to remove the journal.  I have details in a blog
>> post here:
>> https://www.joshuapk.net/2019/02/18/how-stop-killing-sd-cards-raspi/
>>
>> I've been running HomeAssistant under CentOS 7 on a RasPi 3B+ for a
>> while.  Average SD card life was about 2 months, but after I did the
>> tricks noted above things seem to have been much better- that was 6
>> months ago.
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:09 PM Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc), doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data. There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
>> >
>> > I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The first two died because of irreparable
>> >  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that, but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a separate disk, not on the SD card.)
>> >
>> > I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me. Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
>> >
>> > Thoughts or suggestions?
>> >
>> > thanks!
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From punches.chris at gmail.com  Fri Apr 12 02:07:37 2019
From: punches.chris at gmail.com (Chris Punches)
Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2019 02:07:37 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] small linux hardware
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I've heard good things about friends doing projects with Alpine64

On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 10:22 PM Joshua Kramer <joskra42.list at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Jeff- that Khadas Vim has some really impressive specs!  If I had
> extra cash that would be on my "buy it now" list for sure.  The Atomic
> Pi that I linked to has somewhat the same specs as the Basic model
> Vim, but it's x86-64, and it's a little bigger.  (The Atomic Pi has a
> 4 core 1.2GHz Atom, 16GB emmc, and 2GB RAM, plus the gigabit Ethernet,
> WiFi and Bluetooth with external antenna connectors.  Its price is
> $39, or $59 when purchased with the handy breakout board.)
>
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 9:02 PM Jeff Ricica <jricica2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have a Khadas Vim 2 that's a similar form factor to the Pi but has
> more RAM and the ethernet bus doesn't share its IO with the USB bus so
> performance would likely be better. I'll have to find it but I'd probably
> be willing to part ways with it if you're interested. It runs several
> different distros of Linux as well as Android TV or Android OS and
> LibreELEC and can even be triple booted.
> >
> > Outside of that, a very popular option would have to be the Odroid HC2
> which sounds like exactly what you're looking for in one package. If you
> wanted more than 1 data drive, the Helios 4 is a great option that will
> support up to 4 drives but looks like there's a wait list at the moment as
> they only manufacture once they have a certain number of guaranteed orders.
> >
> > -Jeff
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 8:10 PM Joshua Kramer <joskra42.list at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> If you search on Amazon for "fanless industrial PC" you'll find TONS
> >> of little systems you could use for that.  A unit with quad core AMD,
> >> 2G RAM, and 32G SSD runs about $150.
> >>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/slredirect/picassoRedirect.html/ref=pa_sp_mtf_aps_sr_pg1_2?ie=UTF8&adId=A051461335BBCWLEXPDFW&url=%2FIndustrial-Personal-Computer-Aluminum-1000Mbps%2Fdp%2FB07D14Z7GT%2Fref%3Dsr_1_28_sspa%3Fcrid%3D34YH7YU7U2HLH%26keywords%3Dfanless%2Bindustrial%2Bpc%26qid%3D1555026934%26s%3Dgateway%26sprefix%3Dfanless%2Bin%252Caps%252C178%26sr%3D8-28-spons%26psc%3D1&qualifier=1555026934&id=6233116189927769&widgetName=sp_mtf
> >>
> >> Here is something else to consider.  (Note that if you're not
> >> comfortable doing basic wiring, you should get the version with the
> >> breakout board.  Having said that, it is a somewhat frequent
> >> occurrence to see the version without the breakout board in the
> >> MicroCenter "Open Box" bin at $32.  The wiring really is not that
> >> difficult.)
> >> https://www.microcenter.com/product/603770/atomic-pi
> >>
> >> Having said that... there are ways around the "RasPi kills SD cards"
> >> issue.  Essentially, you just put /var and /tmp in a RAM disk, and set
> >> the root filesystem to remove the journal.  I have details in a blog
> >> post here:
> >> https://www.joshuapk.net/2019/02/18/how-stop-killing-sd-cards-raspi/
> >>
> >> I've been running HomeAssistant under CentOS 7 on a RasPi 3B+ for a
> >> while.  Average SD card life was about 2 months, but after I did the
> >> tricks noted above things seem to have been much better- that was 6
> >> months ago.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 11, 2019 at 7:09 PM Rick Hornsby <rhornsby at ktzr.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > TL;DR - Looking for recommendations for small, low-power (really, low
> heat) Linux hardware. 1 core, 1GB of memory would be enough. I just want to
> run a personal nextcloud server on it. RaspberryPi-level power is
> acceptable, but that's been tried. Buy or build, either is fine. Would like
> to keep the cost low, since it won?t be doing much.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> >
> >> > For the last few months, I?ve been running Nextcloud and it?s been
> great. It?s more flexible than Dropbox (I can exclude file types, etc),
> doesn?t have fees or size restrictions, and I control all of the data.
> There are some downsides - I?m solely responsible for the server
> maintenance and application security, but I think those are fair
> trade-offs. It has let me do things like seamlessly switch between my
> laptop and desktop systems, by being able to exclude the IDE metadata.
> >> >
> >> > I?ve been running it on a Pi, but that?s over. I went do to an OS
> update a couple of days ago and it barfed all over itself. That?s the third
> time a Pi put into long-term use has gone tango uniform. It?s a great
> platform, but not for long-term stuff - at least not without setting up the
> SD card as r/o and using a more appropriate/durable r/w storage medium. The
> first two died because of irreparable
> >> >  filesystem corruption (fsck), and the third doesn?t seem to be that,
> but the OS is unbootable and unrecoverable. (The nextcloud data was on a
> separate disk, not on the SD card.)
> >> >
> >> > I?m started to set up Nextcloud on Dreamcompute (AWS-like, will run
> around $9/month), but then I thought ?why? I?m paying a buttload for a
> business interwebs connection at home.? I?m used to building full-tower
> setups, so the other extreme of the market isn?t nearly as familiar to me.
> Really, the only other requirement is to be able to attach a bit of
> external storage - one drive via USB is enough - to it.
> >> >
> >> > Thoughts or suggestions?
> >> >
> >> > thanks!
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From: jep200404 at columbus.rr.com (jep200404 at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 12:17:58 -0400
Subject: [colug-432] Boeing 737 Max & Software
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https://spectrum.ieee.org/aerospace/aviation/how-the-boeing-737-max-disaster-looks-to-a-software-developer