<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">Here's some perhaps useful analysis:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">Sorry for the top post, but when I read the normal "inline" style that we're used to on my phone, my phone says "this message has no content" because it only sees reply marks. Whatever, so here's something interesting.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">Rob Stampfli has an email domain of <a href="http://cboh.org">cboh.org</a>.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">My domain is hosted on google, so I checked, and only Rob's message about gracefully doing nothing showed up in the spam. And it tells me why: Gmail thinks the message is spoofed. Why does it think that? Because <a href="http://cboh.org">cboh.org</a> has a command in their SPF record that says if the message comes from my domain, but doesn't come from a host that is listed as one of its (<a href="http://cboh.org">cboh.org</a>'s) own servers, as listed in their MX records, reject it.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">A la: </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)">#> nslookup set type=txt</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(51,0,51)"><br></div><div class="gmail_default"><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><a href="http://cboh.org">cboh.org</a> text =</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"> "v=spf1 mx -all"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif">Notice the"-all" --- that is the hard fail command. Mail processors are welcome / encouraged to fail this message.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif">I'm not picking on Rob, by any means. But, when you send email that's likely to go through a list that acts as a re-mailer, this -all can cause problems.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif">Combine that failure with DKIM signing - which also gets blown up because colug's listserv adds a header (which means the DKIM signature no longer matches), and suddenly you start looking "spammy"</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif">Recommendation: If you run your own domain (a lot of us do), check your SPF record in DNS, and consider changing to ~all or ?all rather than -all.</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif">~Angelo</font></div><div class="gmail_default"><font color="#330033" face="verdana, sans-serif"><br></font></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Jeff Frontz <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff.frontz@gmail.com" target="_blank">jeff.frontz@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span class=""><div><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 8:57 AM, Rick Hornsby <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:richardjhornsby@gmail.com" target="_blank">richardjhornsby@<wbr>gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word"><div id="m_-4555598657147975370gmail-m_3188379334842787316bloop_customfont" style="font-family:helvetica,arial;font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0);margin:0px"><br></div><div id="m_-4555598657147975370gmail-m_3188379334842787316bloop_sign_1486648412564368128" class="m_-4555598657147975370gmail-m_3188379334842787316bloop_sign">Hopefully this message makes it to everyone using gmail and doesn't end up in their filters.</div></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span>Got it here -- though I do occasionally find individual postings in my gmail spam folder. Those (maybe?) seem to be folks who are sending from domains that are strict about enforcing their mail-server identity.<div><br></div><div>I just checked the list archives for this month (<a href="http://lists.colug.net/pipermail/colug-432/2017-February/date.html" target="_blank">http://lists.colug.net/<wbr>pipermail/colug-432/2017-<wbr>February/date.html</a> ) and it looks like the only post that I haven't seen was yours on the hackintosh building. At first, I thought it was a repost of what [I think] you posted a few months back -- maybe the colug spam filter thinks the same thing?</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>Jeff</div><div><br></div></font></span></div>
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