[colug-432] systemd dislike

Scott McCarty scott.mccarty at gmail.com
Mon Mar 7 22:24:11 EST 2016

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone-------- Original message --------From: Rick Hornsby <richardjhornsby at gmail.com> Date: 3/7/2016  9:38 PM  (GMT+08:00) To: Central OH Linux User Group - 432xx <colug-432 at colug.net> Subject: Re: [colug-432] systemd dislike 

> On Mar 7, 2016, at 00:16, Jacob Ulrich <contact at peachchannel.lol> wrote:
> Does anybody else dislike systemd with a passion? I ask just because I 
> see a lot of RHEL related talk on this list. Sorry if this is 
> irrelevant. I mostly use GNU/Linux as a hobby.

I'm having a hard time getting used to it.  SysV style init scripts were simple and effective.  I know, systemd is more powerful, and the unit files are supposed to be easier to deal with.

But instead of 

chkconfig --list ntpd

Now it's 

systemctl status ntpd - which requires reading through a bunch of output to figure out if your ntpd is set to start on boot or not.  Also, no more run levels, just a confusing pile of declared dependencies and "targets".  I must sound really old when I ask what was wrong with my run levels 0 - 6?

If you use the service command, the syntax is the opposite: service ntpd status.  I don't know why systemd does it - what seems like - backwards.
- You think you are old and grumpy, I never even used the service command ;-)  IMHO it was easier to use bash tab completion and type /etc/init.d/whatever :-)
- All that said, I have learned to liv3 with SystemD, though it took me nearly a year of being grumpy about it. The unit files, once you get used to them are a lot easier than coping /etc/init.d/nfs, changing a bunch of LSB stuff at the top and hacking it. The unit files are quite small, and compact. Also, there is no more worry of "am what I am doing in this init script nasty?"....

Often when a service does not start properly, I don't get any indication.  Have to systemctl status, and then "journalctl -xn" (no idea what journalctl has to do with it) to figure out what went wrong.

It also doesn't help that we have both 'systemctl' and 'sysctl' - each of which do completely different things.

To be fair to systemd, I haven't spent much time digging into these issues, or why things are they way they are.  I've just been dealing with it and grumbling.
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